I do not say that the spiritual experience coincides with the psychological one, I say that the psychological experience – like an ego change—brings us to the spiritual experience. The spiritual experience is wider than a psychological one, or better, it’s different, although similar, because it contains and brings us to transcendence, the way to eternity. Its path is not direct, nor is it rigidly divided. When I completed the psychological path, the spiritual one began. But it’s the modality, that I called psycho-spiritual, that counts. In my vision, the spiritual and the psychological must be entwined. So much so that the basis of this psycho-spirituality is the continuous transformation of the ego. For me, if there is no ego transformation, there is no authentic spiritual journey. That for me, as I’ve already said, is the leit-motif of our existence. But all of this is not enough. Left alone like that, yet again, it would be a delusion of omnipotence of the ego. We need the Other, not reducible to being human, that we cannot manipulate, to whom inspire ourselves¯God. Religions for me complete this personal transformation change journey, they indicate why we must change, and the limit, there where we must transform.